Of the Book of Abraham. FairMormon made direct personal attacks on me, my integrity and my character in their response. Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations. If someone decides to resign membership and the church excommunicates them it looks like the church kicked them out when in reality they voluntarily left. on the issues - especially when doubt and critical questions are expressed by members. 3. Brown. For your convenience, I am copying/pasting from Which means that they, too, take their place on the spectrum of excommunication, outside the body of the members their alienation less formal and official, but no less real. temple blessings." In my letter that I handed to you in the beginning of our November 2, 2014 meeting, I wrote: "To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. The Court of Jeremy Runnells. Upon its public release, CES Letter went viral and immediately became a Mormon internet phenomenon, providing validation and support to tens of thousands of questioning current and former LDS Church members. Quitmormon.com has already had 913 submissions of resignation in the time since Sam's announcement barely a day ago. What Jeremy did was so remarkable because it solved this dilemma in a way that reclaimed his own power over his own life. Ivins attempts to take their conversation away from light of transparency to dark of secrecy, Ivins attempts to censor Runnells and CES Letter by demanding censorship and removal from Mormon Marketplace of Information, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If Joseph Smith was a deceiver, who willfully Instead I'll just enjoy my complete refusal to go to any of their meetings. I have asked you questions seeking understanding and clarification from you as to how you and the church justify your demands to censor me, obstruct my I was always curious as to what level a court is required. Indeed, Please let me know if there is anything I or other members of the stake can do to assist you and your family during this challenging time. CES Letter represents Mr. Runnells' sincere attempt to obtain answers But the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid afraid to voice their opinions and terrified to bring their whole selves to church. Lots of hats but no cattle. Runnells requested a delay until March 15th, citing a close family member in hospice care, which was originally accepted by Ivins. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the "[21], A Spider-Man comic book was published in 2018 that had a patch drawn on the protagonist that read, "CES Letter". i thought every state had their own rules as to what constituted a common law marriage, if they awknowledged them at all. In February 2012, Jeremy experienced an awakening to the LDS Church's truth crisis, which subsequently led to a faith transition that summer. Just a quick thought on excommunication. 1) To protect and to safeguard the Church's purity, integrity, and good name 2) The protect the innocent 3) To save the soul of the transgressor The primary question a stake president or bishop will determine is whether or not the individual has sufficiently confessed and forsook their sin. being disciplined for moral failings (i.e. assist, please let me know. CES Letter has been downloaded an estimated 600,000 times to date, and over 12,000 LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. This is still my position and offer today. Now, he faces excommunication. After 3 years of waiting from the CES Director to fulfill his promise to give me answers to my sincere questions and concerns and after a year and a half Having laid out these important foundational points, I will now directly answer your questions: You ask: "What are you trying to accomplish in posting your doctrinal concerns across the internet.". A decision has been made. Ivins gave in and agreed to March 15, 2016. lies" suddenly became October 22nd's church essay facts. With respect, President, your question demonstrates that you either have forgotten the letter that I gave you to read in our November 2, 2014 meeting or Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CES Letter Foundation Phone: 801.609.8301 Email: media@cesletter.org Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on charges of apostasy Such things as murder, adultery, sexual perversion, or any other serious offense that resulted in a conviction by civil courts such as a felony. The church is led by a three-man First Presidency, headed up by Thomas Monson, the 16th president of the LDS church. - Book of Abraham. Ivins confirmed that he had and responded that March 15, 2016 would not work as he "can't wait that long. all over again. Not only was the Priesthood denied but black individuals and black families were denied - for 130 years - If an individual or organization seeks to silence doubt or questioning - in the private room or in the town square - it is In his letter, Meeks alluded to the LDS "concept of the Negro and his position as to the Priesthood" as well as inquiring about the presence of any "pure white blood" among the Cubans and commenting on the "ignorance and superstition" of the people there. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. Updated on June 25, 2019. Gone are the days when a student raised a sincere concern and a teacher bore his or her testimony as a response intended to avoid the issue.". The fact that you are still using this against me demonstrates Rather than acting in an authoritarian manner against his Yet, you still attempted to break our than censorship and the obstruction of free flow of information. In your April 7th disciplinary council letter I received from the Stake Clerk, you accused me of apostasy along with the following accusations CES Letter Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission it is to liberate and empower doubting LDS individuals and mixed-faith marriages. In fact, most of them have created versions of Mormonism that directly contradict the First Presidency's and Quorum of Twelve's version of Mormonism. In no way [do they] reflect Christian discipleship." People of all faiths and perspectives are welcome to engage in civil, respectful discussion about topics related to Mormonism. excommunicated. That does not appear to have happened (or if it did, it was behind doors that were totally closed to the accused, which defeats the purpose of having safeguards in place to protect the accused). Where I have erred or made mistakes, I have publicly corrected. Dehlin's press release Tuesday insisting that they were factors. However, in spite of my wish to avoid misunderstandings, apparently there may have already been one. I have repeatedly asked you for correction so that I can publicly correct as I am only interested in accurate facts and information. I have come to see for myself that the church does not want people who ask hard questions. All you who speak so authoritatively on the excommunication topic, explain this: a friend of mine was an adulterer, boozer, and liar. Cherish your doubts. murder me while refusing to answer the very reasonable questions I have asked you so many times the past year and a half. 1. you cant discipline someone who no longer belongs to your organization. disciplinary council scheduled for March 20th 2016 is cancelled. offering to answer my questions or to find answers to my questions, I have found that rather than getting answers, I instead get silence and ultimately The very next morning after the press conference, Ivins sends Runnells the following 5:14am email to postpone the Valentine's Day disciplinary council There are TL;DR boxes listed in each section. Notice that this letter has a different font and is more thorough/professional than the Valentine's Day disciplinary letter. Third, Ive never heard of a time limit being preset for a hearing. The probations can simply be with the Bishop and at his discretion without a court, and even with out the counselors being made privy of what is going on (except after the fact, and even then he is not bound to tell them what the offense was, simply that they have had an action occur). This list includes issues surrounding the translation and historicity of the Book of Mormon, Genetics and the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith's First Vision, the Book of Abraham, Kinderhook plates, polygamy, asserted prophetic abilities, history of prophetic authority, Mormonism and Freemasonry, science and the Bible, church finances, and church academics. I relate this to you because as you consider your course of action, I want you to understand that you do not have to see yourself only as an enforcer. I Stephen Daley, LDS stake (regional) president in Derby, wrote in a letter on Wednesday that while members may hold diverse opinions on a number of topics, Helfer "cannot be a member in good. Former bishop for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Sam Young, reads his excommunication letter after he protested the Church's one-on-one worthiness interviews with young children . [2], According to the Salt Lake Tribune and The Daily Beast, the letter has been influential in the decision of many now-former members of the LDS Church to resign their membership. Witnesses who prepared testimony to help defend Natasha Helfer in her church court, but were denied entrance into the building. If it did not, then this I was extremely alarmed and disturbed by your actions on the week of February 8th with your claim that newly "additional information" demanded a Runnells with answers as he had pledged to Runnells in their November 2, 2014 meeting. I was floored when you called me on January 25, 2016 not to give me answers - as I was expecting - Ivins asked Runnells to come in to meet with him the next day. What errors and mistakes are there in the CES Letter or on my website that I can publicly correct? to legitmate questions and doubts through proper church leadership channels. Most Chapel Mormons would be disturbed and shocked at the new Mormonism that these unofficial apologists mingle and preach with - President J. Reuben Clark, "Some struggle with unanswered questions about things that have been done or said in the past." To make it crystal clear on where I stand morally, I have taken the liberty to do what you have never done before deciding to hold a This never happened. I need to communicate via email as it's easier for me than over the phone (I'm still hard of hearing and Taylor Frankie Paul, 28, was arrested on February 17 after throwing a chair at boyfriend Dakota Mortensen. I for one, CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT!!!! Witnesses who prepared testimony to help defend Natasha Helfer in her church court but were denied entrance into the building. The first two how do they differ and who is ones membership changed? from out of state. my letter. If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? "The Church has a strong desire to protect children and, as you know, issued updated guidelines for interviewing youth earlier this year.". David was excommunicated the day after his brother-in-law Oliver Cowdery had likewise been cut off from the Church. you're not the easiest guy to hear). Temple Recommend question. I am resigning because of the way the church treats me and other members who have sincere questions, concerns, and doubts. Why still no answers? And on page 61 in a discussion on excommuniation, it discusses sending the name-removal letter to Church headquarters: "In cases of excommunication the same records are sent to Church headquarters along with the following items when applicable: 1) The letter written by a person requesting that his name be removed from the records of the . - D. Michael Quinn, former assistant to LDS Church Historian Leonard Arrington, "There must be no forbidden questions in Mormonism." questions posed in CES Letter and raised concerns about the LDS Church's recent historical essays ( http://lds.org/topics/essays). I want to add that I trust that you will be fair to me and will follow Yet, that didn't stop him from attempting to spiritually execute me. Ive stated before in this column that I find excommunication to be not only a theologically barbaric practice but also one of dubious utility. A Texas activist has been excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after leading a public campaign against the church's practice of allowing leaders to privately question children about sex. You are the owner of your life and your identity. Jeremy lost half of his hearing six months ago. Firestorm ensues, Ivins reverses interpreter ban after Runnells fights for one. There will still be work to be done in clearing out the cobwebs of control from your mind but that theme is the most empowering one upon which to do so. I am resigning because I have come to learn for myself after years of asking for - and being promised - official answers that the LDS Church does not have It is unlikely that the reason for Hamula's excommunication will be forthcoming from the church leadership: Mormons maintain that all church disciplinary procedures must be carried out in secret, and church leaders must keep confidential all information discussed in confessions and interviews. The church's essays are shaking many, many members' testimonies. completely agreeable and committed to publicly making the corrections. Truth in Church History. My wife committed adultry and she had a bishops court but the decision was to put her on formal probation. as they sought to obstruct and destroy the free agency of myself and others, to obstruct the free flow of information, and to imbalance the Mormon Your generous donations are tax deductible and will go a long way in helping us to continue to help the honest-in-heart seekers. You can do this as an advocate and stand with your fellow members in searching for truth or you can stand over them in judgment. Runnells confirms, Runnells gives Ivins notice of his intention to bring an ASL interpreter to the March 15th meeting, Ivins doesn't want Runnells bringing in an ASL interpreter for their informal March 15th meeting, Ivins agrees to move their conversation over to writing, Ivins asks Runnells specific questions relating to CES Letter, Runnells discusses the Mormon Marketplace of Information and its importance to free agency, Runnells responds to several accusations made against him by Ivins. 7:15pm at the Stake Center. to "talk about my membership in the church". I also appreciate your confirmation that you intend to follow Handbook protocols. proper church channels. This ignited a firestorm online and in social media. While I can understand and appreciate that point of view, President, my response is that it is not only an inaccurate perception but it is a simplistic one Runnells posts a link on Facebook to Elder M. Russell Ballard's "know the essays like the back of your hand" CES Address and writes: Elder Ballard: Don't turn to Google for answers, turn to us for answers. modern Egyptologists. A Bishop has 4 tools at his discretion to help someone repent and be forgiven in the eyes of the church: The first 2 do not show up in a member's record, the other 2 do. If there is anything we can do to My well-meaning mother has told my 19yr old sister that if she moves in with her boyfriend that she is a candidate for excommunication. remember telling you about the polyandry - how Joseph married other living men's wives - as well as how Joseph lied to Emma, the Saints and the world about President Ivins assured Runnells that he wanted to help, and that he would obtain Jul 13, 2010 at 12:30 am. The following brief video is a great observation of this entire process: Flip the Script: The How and Why of Jeremy Runnells' Exit. The 2nd question I asked you is: If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? American Fork, UT (February 9, 2016) A total time span of a year and a half. Runnells responded back via text that now was not a good time for him due to a family member in hospice care along with other obligations and commitments. Ivins leaves a voice mail on Runnells' phone in the morning to call him back. My offer still stands to Runnells replies back to Ivins @ 7:20pm (screenshot): As we agreed on our phone conversation two weeks ago (Jan. 25th), I am able to meet with you on March 15th. (Update, Monday 23 June: The author has been excommunicated by the Mormon church. overly aggressive and mean-spirited. The decision to release everything also is due to a desire to be transparent and open to the public as well as to provide the public insight and education Will you appeal this? You may as well appeal; voting opposed, pointing out issues, and letting others know why one votes opposed really shouldn't be death sentences and that is the reasons given for the excommunication, meaning those are the best reasons that could be determined. When I first read the title to this threadI thought it was going to be like a Letterman Top 10 list of reasons to be excommunicated. Let that statement be the one that starts you out on a life which is determined by your own conscience, will and judgment. 2. I look forward to your response and hope that your hearing situation is not permanent and that you will soon be able to function without any I have now come to a place where I respect the leaders and many things in the Church. at (801) 240-3500 and ask them to check on it. See PDF of Runnells' attorney's letter.]. Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. Regarding my membership in the Church and feelings regarding its leaders: My membership in the Church is valuable and important to me. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I have excommunicated the LDS Church, President Ivins, and their kangaroo court from my life. and the first century C.E., long after Abraham lived." I am supportive of them and their desires to attend Church on Sunday. In fact, a letter has to go out for any court, as far as I remember. This past Friday, Williams released this Open Letter to LDS church leaders in response to the planned disciplinary hearings for apostasy by Kate Kelly for organizing the day of action. Fox 13 covered the event and Runnells was interviewed by the Salt Lake Tribune after the event. A few weeks later, President Ivins abruptly cancelled the March 20, 2016 disciplinary council. insinuations against Runnells along with their multiple attempts to excommunicate Jeremy Runnells. I have done nothing wrong. He is married with six children, according to a church profile. and what took place. In the event it You knew that I had a family member in hospice, which is why we agreed to March 15th in the first place. The Church really does not have answers to its truth crisis, The Church will attempt to destroy the messenger rather than address the message. My wife and I were sealed in the Temple yet she only received a formal probation. - non-transparency. Appeal to the First Presidency as it says within the letter. I expect this matter to be handled with respect. The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: Please see attached "Runnells Response to Stake President 3.11.16 Email" PDF. what you mistakenly perceive as "apostasy" through CES Letter and my being open with questions and doubts about church essay verified problems with LDS "After carefully and prayerfully considering this matter," the letter states, "it was the decision of the council to withdraw your church membership in response to conduct contrary to the law and. The historian Fawn McKay Brodie came from a devout Mormon family . The choice is yours. These recordings and release of recordings are 100% legal as all communications between Jeremy Runnells and Mark Ivins took place in the state of Utah ", "Mormon history is discrediting the church. by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on charges of apostasy. In that letter and the excommunication letter, King did not mention same-sex marriage or female ordination among the reasons. So the church doesn't believe in free agency. To this day, I have not been called to repentance and asked to correct any errors or mistakes in the CES Letter or on my website by you or any other along with corrections were included in the document. "No interpreter or any representative will be allowed to attend with you. I will be out of the country between March 25, 2016 to April 5, 2016 and will have very limited, if any, access to email and phone. A sex therapist who was excommunicated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints this week admits she's shattered by the decision. 0:00. correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter or website, the church would be telling the world that it is not interested in honesty, transparency, and Instead of punishing me and hoping I'll go away with my questions, why won't you just answer them? 18:31 (Mosiah 26). The very next morning President Ivins emailed Runnells to inform him that the Valentine's Day disciplinary council was rescheduled for March 20, 2016. Among the more interesting items in the collection is a lecture she gave in 1970 titled "Can We Manipulate the Past?" I even went into the trenches with one of them that took me close to 900 pages worth of content in The excommunication Canyon Ridge Stake President Monte Marshall excommunicated Nelson and Lacey on Nov. 5, having. Attached in PDF are my complete answers and rebuttals to your questions and accusations. As Mormon historian and scholar D. Michael Quinn wrote: "Attacking the messenger does not alter the reality of the message.". FAIR Director Scott Gordon announced that moving forward they were "avoiding personal attacks or derogatory language," while acknowledging that "the 'CES Letter' response videos received more views than any other videos we have with over 200,000 views. Book of Abraham didn't come from a literal translation - as the church has long taught Joseph Smith claimed - but rather from revelation. After reviewing your website and your statements, there are CES Letter began as a letter Runnells wrote to an LDS religious instructor (CES Director) outlining his questions, concerns, and doubts about LDS Church foundational truth claims (e.g., Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham historicity, Joseph Smith's polygamy and polyandry, LDS priesthood restoration, multiple first vision accounts). This is especially true in light of my verbal and written promise and willingness to ", "FairMormon's new satirical videos take on church critics, but does the humor miss the mark? The church's essays are discrediting the church. fairness. unofficial Mormon apologists who attacked me. - President J. Reuben Clark, Truth is unafraid of light, questioning, investigation, and scrutiny. Covenants are essentially nullified, thus lessening accountability. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Catholicism truly is the most beautiful thing I know. Expressed opposition to Church leaders, including the Prophet Joseph Smith. [6] The letter spread throughout the Mormon blogosphere and LDS Church communities, and became one of the most influential sites providing the catalyst for many people leaving the LDS Church and resigning their membership. simply the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. '"[25], Harris, M. L., Bringhurst, N. G., & Mauss, A. L. (2020). Are there certain things that are no longer approved to do like prayers, sacrament, talks etc? The last person to incur public excommunication was Swiss Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, according to Msgr. You have stated in the past that you had no desire to hurt the Church or its members. What have I done wrong? actions in a premortal life;" - Race and the Priesthood. last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to Doubt is the beginning to knowledge and wisdom. Church really fucked up here, this is making waves. Many Latter-day Saints share the same questions and concerns I do about the LDS Church's foundational truth claims. When the essays were released, I made sure to include them so that CES Letter readers could read the church's essays. That way, we can avoid unnecessary A theme consistent in the conversations is Runnells' pleas for Ivins to answer his questions and Ivins' refusal to answer them. It contains the summons letter from William H. Reeder Jr., the president of the New England Mission, for her to appear before the bishop's court and his cryptic, one-line excommunication proclamation 26 days later. It depends upon the spiritual needs of the person. Albert Smith, "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. Runnells received a physical April 7, 2016 letter delivered by the Stake Clerk from President Ivins announcing a Disciplinary Court against Runnells to be No response ever came. absence. that is very black and white. Different accounts of First Vision. He never responded as promised. But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had. distributing your materials about the Church to others" is to censor sincere questions as well as hard facts and truths (and its open discussion in the Ultimately, Ivins reversed his ban on the interpreter in the meeting but blindsided Runnells with the reversal only after the social media firestorm and only after Runnells came walking to him in the Stake Center to the disciplinary council with his own interpreter. I am willing to communicate with you directly, in writing, unfiltered. The following is the November 2, 2014 letter Runnells handed to Ivins in the beginning of this meeting (can be read in PDF here) or read below: I am writing this letter to you to make sure that there are no misunderstandings or confusion regarding my response to several of your questions that you You may appeal the decision of the disciplinary council to the First Presidency within 30 days. On Monday, June 23, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) excommunicated Kate Kelly, founder of the Mormon women's group Ordain Women. President Ivins has never given me any mistakes to correct as required by Church Handbook for disciplinary actions. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. but to threaten my membership instead. On October 19th when I told you these facts, I was speaking in direct opposition against Joseph Smith and his character. Steve Bloor: Former Mormon bishop critical of church accuses it of 'excommunication by the backdoor' The 51-year-old podiatrist said he was told last week that his name had been removed from the . Yes I've witnessed appalling things said to the faithful in workplaces and heard the media's taunts. I accept and embrace the theme from the quotes above. Sample 3: "Letter of resignation from mormon church". The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have made some extraordinarily eye-brow raising admissions in these essays. ", Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church, Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church at Excommunication Hearing in American Fork, Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' Resigns from Mormon Church. We are free to think and express our Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between I started my questioning expecting the church would remain victorious on the other end as I had complete faith and hope that the church was true Thanks Six. In fact, October 19th's "anti-Mormon regarding the Church, and are rejecting my proposal to have a private and confidential written dialogue about your concerns with Church history and I have done nothing wrong. 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